Comments on: GigaJobs http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/ Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:23:06 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: web live :: The Job Board Bubble :: January :: 2007 http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-38120 web live :: The Job Board Bubble :: January :: 2007 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:06:37 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-38120 [...] The world has changed since I wrote about the need for a decentralized job board service last August. Just not quite in the way I had hoped. [...] [...] The world has changed since I wrote about the need for a decentralized job board service last August. Just not quite in the way I had hoped. [...]

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » 求人掲示板のバブル http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-37974 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » 求人掲示板のバブル Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:03:54 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-37974 [...] 私が去年の8月、オープンネットワーク的な求人掲示板が必要だと書いてから、かなりの変化が起きている。ただし私の期待する方向にではないのだが。求人掲示板はテクノロジー系ブログに付き物だ。われわれのところにも１つあるし、その他無数に生まれている。テクノロジー系ブログの求人掲示板のメリットは、最新の技術動向に通じている良質な人材が読んでいるはず、というものだ。そこに求人広告を出せば、必要な相手だけに見てもらうことができ、CraigslistやMonster.comのような一般的求人サイトに出した場合のように不適な相手からの履歴書が無数に舞い込むということにならずにすむ。われわれが求人掲示板を開設したときにはすぐに使える既製品がなかったため、自前で作った。プログラマーを雇って2千ドルでコーディングしてもらい、Paypalのアカウントを作って、すぐにスタートさせた。ちらほらバグもあったが、まず順調に運営されている。しかし今や求人掲示板のパッケージサービスは少なくとも２つあり、近々もう一つ増えるようだ。 Job ThreadはRead/Write Webの掲示板を含めて多数のブログの求職掲示板をサポートしている。Job Threadは広告掲載料の50%を取る。ブログ運営者は広告掲載料を自由に設定できる。今朝（1/24）、SimplyHiredはJob ThreadのライバルとなるJob-a-maticというサービスをローンチした。Job Threadと同様ブログ運営者は料金を自由に設定でき、SimplyHiredが50%を取る。Simply Hiredではまた運営者は求人広告以外の広告も掲載でき、この場合Simply Hiredは収入の30%を取る。どうやら多くの有力ブロガーがこのサービスを評価したようだ。Guy Kawasaki、Om Malik、Jeff Jarvis、O’Reilly、John Battelleなどがすでに顧客となると発表されている。(Omは自前で開発したシステムを捨てて加わった)。昨日、Edgeio (私は同社の株式の一部を所有している )も Marketplacesという同様のサービスを発表した。Edgeioのサービスでは、ユーザーは求人専門の掲示板を設置することも、Craigslistタイプの総合案内広告サイトを設置することもできる。このサービスでは運営者から徴収する手数料は他より安く、全広告料収入の20%だけだ。Simply HiredとEdgeioのアプローチが正しいと私は思う。この両社はサービスを提供する個々のブログの求人掲示場の情報を統合して自社の検索エンジンで検索できるようにしている。これは出稿者にとってはきわめて大きな価値がある。Job Thread はこのような情報の統合は行っていない。しかし、もっと高い価値を生む方法、私が8月のCrunch Noteで提案した方法は少し違っている。簡単に求人掲示板を設置できるツールは、自前で作るのに数千ドルも使いたくないブロガーにとって便利なものであることは確かだ。しかしこれはいたるところにニッチな掲示板が乱立するという、現在すでに存在する問題をさらに悪化させるだけだ。そうではなくて、私が実現させたいのは、テクノロジー系ブロガー全員が共有でき、誰でも参加できて、収入は実績に応じて按分比例で分配されるような単一の求人掲示板なのだ。TechCrunchやVentureBeatやGigaOmやGuy Kawasakiやその他のブログがそれぞれに独自の掲示板を持ち、データを孤立したサイロに入れて置かなければならない理由などない。今のところこのような統合はまだSimplyHiredやEdgeioのレベルどまりで、地球上のありとあらゆるわれわれにはあまり興味のない案内広告といっしょくたになっている。まだどのサービスもこの統合掲示板という計画を発表していない。私はEdgeioにこういったサービスを始めるよう働きかけている。、もしそれが実現するなら、私はCrunchBoardの自前のバックエンドシステムを捨て加わってもいいと考えている。SimplyHiredとJobThreadについても同様だ。単一の大きな求人検索エンジンのもとにミニネットワークを作ろうではないか。広告主、求職者、ブロガーすべての関係者の利益になるはずである。[原文へ] SimplyHired [...] [...] 私が去年の8月、オープンネットワーク的な求人掲示板が必要だと書いてから、かなりの変化が起きている。ただし私の期待する方向にではないのだが。求人掲示板はテクノロジー系ブログに付き物だ。われわれのところにも１つあるし、その他無数に生まれている。テクノロジー系ブログの求人掲示板のメリットは、最新の技術動向に通じている良質な人材が読んでいるはず、というものだ。そこに求人広告を出せば、必要な相手だけに見てもらうことができ、CraigslistやMonster.comのような一般的求人サイトに出した場合のように不適な相手からの履歴書が無数に舞い込むということにならずにすむ。われわれが求人掲示板を開設したときにはすぐに使える既製品がなかったため、自前で作った。プログラマーを雇って2千ドルでコーディングしてもらい、Paypalのアカウントを作って、すぐにスタートさせた。ちらほらバグもあったが、まず順調に運営されている。しかし今や求人掲示板のパッケージサービスは少なくとも２つあり、近々もう一つ増えるようだ。 Job ThreadはRead/Write Webの掲示板を含めて多数のブログの求職掲示板をサポートしている。Job Threadは広告掲載料の50%を取る。ブログ運営者は広告掲載料を自由に設定できる。今朝（1/24）、SimplyHiredはJob ThreadのライバルとなるJob-a-maticというサービスをローンチした。Job Threadと同様ブログ運営者は料金を自由に設定でき、SimplyHiredが50%を取る。Simply Hiredではまた運営者は求人広告以外の広告も掲載でき、この場合Simply Hiredは収入の30%を取る。どうやら多くの有力ブロガーがこのサービスを評価したようだ。Guy Kawasaki、Om Malik、Jeff Jarvis、O’Reilly、John Battelleなどがすでに顧客となると発表されている。(Omは自前で開発したシステムを捨てて加わった)。昨日、Edgeio (私は同社の株式の一部を所有している )も Marketplacesという同様のサービスを発表した。Edgeioのサービスでは、ユーザーは求人専門の掲示板を設置することも、Craigslistタイプの総合案内広告サイトを設置することもできる。このサービスでは運営者から徴収する手数料は他より安く、全広告料収入の20%だけだ。Simply HiredとEdgeioのアプローチが正しいと私は思う。この両社はサービスを提供する個々のブログの求人掲示場の情報を統合して自社の検索エンジンで検索できるようにしている。これは出稿者にとってはきわめて大きな価値がある。Job Thread はこのような情報の統合は行っていない。しかし、もっと高い価値を生む方法、私が8月のCrunch Noteで提案した方法は少し違っている。簡単に求人掲示板を設置できるツールは、自前で作るのに数千ドルも使いたくないブロガーにとって便利なものであることは確かだ。しかしこれはいたるところにニッチな掲示板が乱立するという、現在すでに存在する問題をさらに悪化させるだけだ。そうではなくて、私が実現させたいのは、テクノロジー系ブロガー全員が共有でき、誰でも参加できて、収入は実績に応じて按分比例で分配されるような単一の求人掲示板なのだ。TechCrunchやVentureBeatやGigaOmやGuy Kawasakiやその他のブログがそれぞれに独自の掲示板を持ち、データを孤立したサイロに入れて置かなければならない理由などない。今のところこのような統合はまだSimplyHiredやEdgeioのレベルどまりで、地球上のありとあらゆるわれわれにはあまり興味のない案内広告といっしょくたになっている。まだどのサービスもこの統合掲示板という計画を発表していない。私はEdgeioにこういったサービスを始めるよう働きかけている。、もしそれが実現するなら、私はCrunchBoardの自前のバックエンドシステムを捨て加わってもいいと考えている。SimplyHiredとJobThreadについても同様だ。単一の大きな求人検索エンジンのもとにミニネットワークを作ろうではないか。広告主、求職者、ブロガーすべての関係者の利益になるはずである。[原文へ] SimplyHired [...]

]]> By: The Job Board Bubble http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-37853 The Job Board Bubble Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:02:22 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-37853 [...] The world has changed since I wrote about the need for a decentralized job board service last August. Just not quite in the way I had hoped. [...] [...] The world has changed since I wrote about the need for a decentralized job board service last August. Just not quite in the way I had hoped. [...]

]]> By: Supr.c.ilio.us: The Blog » I’ll Drink To That http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-14383 Supr.c.ilio.us: The Blog » I’ll Drink To That Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:13:39 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-14383 [...] mySpace Take a drink every time some technology writer (read: hack) lists the value of mySpace any dollar over what you can find in your seat cushions. {ok we made that one up} So now we add to this noble list with the Michael Arrington TechCrunch OpenHype Bar game. First you need to sneak a bottle of Wild Turkey into Ritual and top off your mocha with a hearty splash of 101. Launch your RSS client and start drinking. Take a drink when Michael calls something ‘killer’. Take a drink everytime TC reviews sites that offer almost the same features, yet fails to interject any analysis declaring one better than the rest. Take a drink every day Edgeio loses money Take a drink when a website using AJAX is referred to as ‘app’. (this could very well kill you, if you are not gifted in heavy drinking.) Take a big chug whenever you’re sure Mike is XMLing smoke up your ass. You can tell he’s just copy-and-pasting the PR email and adding the word ‘killer’ here and there for good measure. Good, hard pull everytime Mike gets testy with another blogger. TechCrunch starts yet another Crunch ’spinoff’, sorta like a blog version of Jodie Loves Chachi, finish the bottle. Whenever Mike promises to comp your blog writers some free tickets to his party then totally negs on you because ‘the list is getting a bit tight’ hit him with the empty bottle. Revenge is a dish best served cold, Mssr. Arrington. [...] [...] mySpace Take a drink every time some technology writer (read: hack) lists the value of mySpace any dollar over what you can find in your seat cushions. {ok we made that one up} So now we add to this noble list with the Michael Arrington TechCrunch OpenHype Bar game. First you need to sneak a bottle of Wild Turkey into Ritual and top off your mocha with a hearty splash of 101. Launch your RSS client and start drinking. Take a drink when Michael calls something ‘killer’. Take a drink everytime TC reviews sites that offer almost the same features, yet fails to interject any analysis declaring one better than the rest. Take a drink every day Edgeio loses money Take a drink when a website using AJAX is referred to as ‘app’. (this could very well kill you, if you are not gifted in heavy drinking.) Take a big chug whenever you’re sure Mike is XMLing smoke up your ass. You can tell he’s just copy-and-pasting the PR email and adding the word ‘killer’ here and there for good measure. Good, hard pull everytime Mike gets testy with another blogger. TechCrunch starts yet another Crunch ’spinoff’, sorta like a blog version of Jodie Loves Chachi, finish the bottle. Whenever Mike promises to comp your blog writers some free tickets to his party then totally negs on you because ‘the list is getting a bit tight’ hit him with the empty bottle. Revenge is a dish best served cold, Mssr. Arrington. [...]

]]> By: Moustache » Too many job boards http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-14055 Moustache » Too many job boards Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:02:44 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-14055 [...] Additionally, does anyone think that the readership of 37signals, Techcrunch, Cameron Moll and GigaOm are really so different that they require their own job boards? Is there a single person who reads Authentic Boredom but does not read Signal vs. Noise or A List Apart? I’d be really surprised. Mike Arrington recently posted about how when he was launching CrunchBoard he tried to partner with Om Malik and 37signals. Apparently both turned him down, and I think that is the biggest reason these will all end up failing. If they had combined into some sort of tech A-list job board it would have been much harder for people to duplicate their formula. But with the setup they have now, if you have a free afternoon you can have a niche job board for your site. While it obviously does not make sense for someone like myself to offer a job board, what about someone like Khoi Vinh, Christopher Fahey, Vitamin (oh wait, they already do), or even 9rules or digg? Where does the law of diminishing returns kick in on something like this? I’m going to guess that the sustainable market for a system like this is one or two job boards per niche. We are already way past that in some fields, and the market is barely half a year old. It feels like the million dollar homepage all over again where there is one great, simple idea and a flood of people rushing to cash in before the jig is up. [...] [...] Additionally, does anyone think that the readership of 37signals, Techcrunch, Cameron Moll and GigaOm are really so different that they require their own job boards? Is there a single person who reads Authentic Boredom but does not read Signal vs. Noise or A List Apart? I’d be really surprised. Mike Arrington recently posted about how when he was launching CrunchBoard he tried to partner with Om Malik and 37signals. Apparently both turned him down, and I think that is the biggest reason these will all end up failing. If they had combined into some sort of tech A-list job board it would have been much harder for people to duplicate their formula. But with the setup they have now, if you have a free afternoon you can have a niche job board for your site. While it obviously does not make sense for someone like myself to offer a job board, what about someone like Khoi Vinh, Christopher Fahey, Vitamin (oh wait, they already do), or even 9rules or digg? Where does the law of diminishing returns kick in on something like this? I’m going to guess that the sustainable market for a system like this is one or two job boards per niche. We are already way past that in some fields, and the market is barely half a year old. It feels like the million dollar homepage all over again where there is one great, simple idea and a flood of people rushing to cash in before the jig is up. [...]

]]> By: Deep Jive Interests » Are You Blogging For Bucks? How PayPerPost (and Job Boards) Figure Into Your Business Model http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-11583 Deep Jive Interests » Are You Blogging For Bucks? How PayPerPost (and Job Boards) Figure Into Your Business Model Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:17:34 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-11583 [...] If you’re trying to replace one job (the one you have right now), or looking for a second job, then frequenting job boards and thinking about PayPerPost is a fine thing. You may want to take a hint about going about it the right way, even.  These are ways for you to utilize your efforts to get a greater return on every unit of time you’re spending at your job. [...] [...] If you’re trying to replace one job (the one you have right now), or looking for a second job, then frequenting job boards and thinking about PayPerPost is a fine thing. You may want to take a hint about going about it the right way, even.  These are ways for you to utilize your efforts to get a greater return on every unit of time you’re spending at your job. [...]

]]> By: Classyfeeds » Blog Archive » Disntermediation and decentralization of jobs http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-11004 Classyfeeds » Blog Archive » Disntermediation and decentralization of jobs Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:38:32 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-11004 [...] So, like James Corbett, I was confused by Mike Arrington’s wording of “decentralised job board for tech” , as you can see by my comment on the CrunchNotes post. [...] [...] So, like James Corbett, I was confused by Mike Arrington’s wording of “decentralised job board for tech” , as you can see by my comment on the CrunchNotes post. [...]

]]> By: Jobs, jobs and more jobs! at FactoryCity http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-10951 Jobs, jobs and more jobs! at FactoryCity Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:05:28 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-10951 [...] Jason has a point as usual, but, man, to really go decentralized, you have to flip the whole model on its head. In which case he half misses the point too (sorry, even though I luv ya man). [...] [...] Jason has a point as usual, but, man, to really go decentralized, you have to flip the whole model on its head. In which case he half misses the point too (sorry, even though I luv ya man). [...]

]]> By: Keith Teare http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-10887 Keith Teare Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:29:28 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-10887 Hey Hitchhiker - I put this on your site but thought it worth re-doing here: Well, I have to have a bit of a giggle to myself over this one. Wow - the things one can dream up in the absense of hard facts. Bottom line - edgeio is alive and well. We might well reach our first 1 million listings this week (not bad for 23 weeks of operations). The daily average per month has risen from less than 1000 in May to more than 8000 today. We have listings from over 12500 cities, from 130 cities. Try changing your edgeio city to Shaghai and check out the Chinese listings. We are in the top 3 listings sites in China already. And then there is Mike. Mike is a board director at edgeio. He is a great assett, a friend and advisor. But he has never been operational in edgeio. So no change there. The blogosphere described edgeio as “Mike Arrington’s startup” but Mike himself has never obscured his role as co-founder and board member. Mike started TechCrunch (disclosure I am a shareholder) over 12 months ago. edgeio launched in March (6 months ago). Mike was always co-founder and board member and I was the founder/ceo. Really, the only change is that the world is now more aware of the reality. And our investors - all know the facts and have seen no change since day 1, apart from our growth as a global aggregator and distributor of listings. So … Sorry to dissapoint. The truth is really way more boring than the dream. On Crunchboard - edgeio does indeed aggregate it’s listings. Check them out here: http://www.edgeio.com/site/32168725 . Again sorry to disappoint. You are right on 1 thing. edgeio can aggregate Mike and Om’s listings today. All they need to do is tag everything “listing”, agree on a common tag (say “web2.0 jobs”) and their own tags (say “crunchboard” and “gigajobs”), and anybody could take a feed from edgeio for either one or both just by selecting the tag or tags. It’s that easy. But Mike is right - both parties have to want to do it. edgeio aggregates listings from willing publishers and distributes them to willing publishers. All that is needed is the will. Mike is also right that having edgeio aggregate is only part of the solution. Both sites would need to provide a common listing interface allowing each to charge for it’s own listings and those of the other, and agree to share revenue. edgeio will have products later this year making this possible. Oh and on raising money .. remember edgeio raised $1.5m in December. We have 7 employees. So no need to raise $ now. We are already earning revenue and will announce our next round when it’s the right time. Trust me, it is not a hard sell given our progress. Hitchhiker, I know you intended no harm with your piece and I hope this clears things up. Best regards Keith Teare ceo/founder/edgeio Hey Hitchhiker – I put this on your site but thought it worth re-doing here:

Well, I have to have a bit of a giggle to myself over this one. Wow – the things one can dream up in the absense of hard facts.

Bottom line – edgeio is alive and well. We might well reach our first 1 million listings this week (not bad for 23 weeks of operations). The daily average per month has risen from less than 1000 in May to more than 8000 today. We have listings from over 12500 cities, from 130 cities. Try changing your edgeio city to Shaghai and check out the Chinese listings. We are in the top 3 listings sites in China already.

And then there is Mike. Mike is a board director at edgeio. He is a great assett, a friend and advisor. But he has never been operational in edgeio. So no change there. The blogosphere described edgeio as “Mike Arrington’s startup” but Mike himself has never obscured his role as co-founder and board member.

Mike started TechCrunch (disclosure I am a shareholder) over 12 months ago. edgeio launched in March (6 months ago). Mike was always co-founder and board member and I was the founder/ceo. Really, the only change is that the world is now more aware of the reality. And our investors – all know the facts and have seen no change since day 1, apart from our growth as a global aggregator and distributor of listings.

So … Sorry to dissapoint. The truth is really way more boring than the dream.

On Crunchboard – edgeio does indeed aggregate it’s listings. Check them out here: http://www.edgeio.com/site/32168725
.

Again sorry to disappoint.

You are right on 1 thing. edgeio can aggregate Mike and Om’s listings today. All they need to do is tag everything “listing”, agree on a common tag (say “web2.0 jobs”) and their own tags (say “crunchboard” and “gigajobs”), and anybody could take a feed from edgeio for either one or both just by selecting the tag or tags. It’s that easy. But Mike is right – both parties have to want to do it. edgeio aggregates listings from willing publishers and distributes them to willing publishers. All that is needed is the will. Mike is also right that having edgeio aggregate is only part of the solution. Both sites would need to provide a common listing interface allowing each to charge for it’s own listings and those of the other, and agree to share revenue. edgeio will have products later this year making this possible.

Oh and on raising money .. remember edgeio raised $1.5m in December. We have 7 employees. So no need to raise $ now. We are already earning revenue and will announce our next round when it’s the right time. Trust me, it is not a hard sell given our progress.

Hitchhiker, I know you intended no harm with your piece and I hope this clears things up.

Best regards
Keith Teare
ceo/founder/edgeio

]]> By: Hitchhiker’s Guide to 650 :: What Happens When Your Co-Founder Finds a New Best Friend :: August :: 2006 http://www.crunchnotes.com/2006/08/25/gigajobs/comment-page-2/#comment-10884 Hitchhiker’s Guide to 650 :: What Happens When Your Co-Founder Finds a New Best Friend :: August :: 2006 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:18:42 +0000 http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=263#comment-10884 [...] 1) ChrunchBoard is not being aggregated by Edgeio (there are no CrunchBoard listings in Edgeio) 2) ChrunchBoard’s new aggregator vision is decidedly Edgeio-esq (As Alex Bosworth points out) [...] [...] 1) ChrunchBoard is not being aggregated by Edgeio (there are no CrunchBoard listings in Edgeio) 2) ChrunchBoard’s new aggregator vision is decidedly Edgeio-esq (As Alex Bosworth points out) [...]

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