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		<title>By: Combtail HQ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media Experts?</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41730</link>
		<dc:creator>Combtail HQ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media Experts?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 01:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] First, the people at IBDNetwork felt singled out by what the big &#8216;A&#8217; had written regarding selection of start-ups for demo type conferences, as noted here.  So, they wrote an email asking people/friends to blog about it and defend them. No, no, no - never do this - in fact if you have a good service and some evangelists you should never need to ask. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] First, the people at IBDNetwork felt singled out by what the big &#8216;A&#8217; had written regarding selection of start-ups for demo type conferences, as noted here.  So, they wrote an email asking people/friends to blog about it and defend them. No, no, no - never do this - in fact if you have a good service and some evangelists you should never need to ask. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41695</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all these different events there seems to be the lack of awareness of the people attending.

Bottom Line: We live in a dog-eat-dog world and the more valuable events will win out. Value measured by people met, attention received and/or knowledge gained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all these different events there seems to be the lack of awareness of the people attending.</p>
<p>Bottom Line: We live in a dog-eat-dog world and the more valuable events will win out. Value measured by people met, attention received and/or knowledge gained.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41271</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People - this is all kinda silly. The more forums, the better. Happy about that. Raises the hype to a fevered pitch, right? Honestly, with the exception of DEMO, I don't think anybody charges more than a few hundred  bucks just to guarantee that people show up and take this stuff seriously. And anyway, any good business person would never pay retail, right? If your company is that hot, then you should insist on a deal. If not, then don't do it - you have that right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People - this is all kinda silly. The more forums, the better. Happy about that. Raises the hype to a fevered pitch, right? Honestly, with the exception of DEMO, I don&#8217;t think anybody charges more than a few hundred  bucks just to guarantee that people show up and take this stuff seriously. And anyway, any good business person would never pay retail, right? If your company is that hot, then you should insist on a deal. If not, then don&#8217;t do it - you have that right.</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41270</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know - I felt your reference to the conferences in the post seemed intended for comparision, not to speak against other events. I think it's very reasonable (and obvious to everybody) that a conference that requires a high fee couldn't possibly be selecting vendors solely on merit. 

Just my .2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know - I felt your reference to the conferences in the post seemed intended for comparision, not to speak against other events. I think it&#8217;s very reasonable (and obvious to everybody) that a conference that requires a high fee couldn&#8217;t possibly be selecting vendors solely on merit. </p>
<p>Just my .2</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 1st, 2007 links</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41016</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 1st, 2007 links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington insists that he only has the highest integrity and purpose behind starting a new conference with Jason Calacanis.  I sure hope so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arrington insists that he only has the highest integrity and purpose behind starting a new conference with Jason Calacanis.  I sure hope so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Winer</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Winer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't get it, what did Mike say or do to offend, Debbie?

I got the email, and I was really put off, you might say offended. I would never express an opinion on my blog, pretending it was mine, when it was someone else's. 

Mike is right, transparency suffers when you use the back channel this way to create the appearance of some kind of spontaniety that couldn't possibly exist because Mike didn't say or do what you say he did.

I'm an outsider here, I have no idea what kinds of deals you've made with whom or Mike for that matter. No one has challenged his right to compete, so would you please explain -- what's your issue? Never mind what wasn't said, no winks or nudges, please be more clear, cause I don't get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it, what did Mike say or do to offend, Debbie?</p>
<p>I got the email, and I was really put off, you might say offended. I would never express an opinion on my blog, pretending it was mine, when it was someone else&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Mike is right, transparency suffers when you use the back channel this way to create the appearance of some kind of spontaniety that couldn&#8217;t possibly exist because Mike didn&#8217;t say or do what you say he did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an outsider here, I have no idea what kinds of deals you&#8217;ve made with whom or Mike for that matter. No one has challenged his right to compete, so would you please explain &#8212; what&#8217;s your issue? Never mind what wasn&#8217;t said, no winks or nudges, please be more clear, cause I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie landa</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-41001</link>
		<dc:creator>debbie landa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, Michael, Michael, do you always need to be so inflammatory.  I know you still love me – but next time you want to promote your new conference, try not to insult your friends along the way.

Also, try not to write things like: “Many tech conferences today” and “While conferences LIKE DEMO....”. By NOT calling out conferences that you do like, quietly suggests you’re including Under the Radar along with several others similar events. Michael, it's about what you "don't" say right? 

Btw, if I called you for clarification, would you have written another post? Would it have said – "Readers, for clarification, I wasn’t referring to Under the Radar, they’re awesome and they do a great job of vetting companies. I'll be moderating their next Under the Radar conference on March 23, hopefully everyone will try and make it, there will be a stellar line-up of startups showcasing - don’t' miss it.” 

Well, actually, that’s not a bad idea – would ya post this, just for clarification? ☺ Thanks, you’re the best. Btw, don't fool with the wrath of Arrington it can be harsh. Kisses 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, Michael, Michael, do you always need to be so inflammatory.  I know you still love me – but next time you want to promote your new conference, try not to insult your friends along the way.</p>
<p>Also, try not to write things like: “Many tech conferences today” and “While conferences LIKE DEMO&#8230;.”. By NOT calling out conferences that you do like, quietly suggests you’re including Under the Radar along with several others similar events. Michael, it&#8217;s about what you &#8220;don&#8217;t&#8221; say right? </p>
<p>Btw, if I called you for clarification, would you have written another post? Would it have said – &#8220;Readers, for clarification, I wasn’t referring to Under the Radar, they’re awesome and they do a great job of vetting companies. I&#8217;ll be moderating their next Under the Radar conference on March 23, hopefully everyone will try and make it, there will be a stellar line-up of startups showcasing - don’t&#8217; miss it.” </p>
<p>Well, actually, that’s not a bad idea – would ya post this, just for clarification? ☺ Thanks, you’re the best. Btw, don&#8217;t fool with the wrath of Arrington it can be harsh. Kisses</p>
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		<title>By: Dave McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-40993</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think you just put the fear of god into a lot of folks mike (perhaps rightly so).  

that said, competition is good and altho i'm doing some work for O'Reilly at the moment that might be considered in the same market, i applaud your &#38; jason's efforts to create a[nother] merit-based alternative.  certainly good for startups &#38; entrepreneurs to have a few options to consider.

and given the dollah dollah billz being generated at these events recently, i'd say there's room for additional entrants... ;)

best of luck to you,

- dave mcclure
  http://500hats.typepad.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think you just put the fear of god into a lot of folks mike (perhaps rightly so).  </p>
<p>that said, competition is good and altho i&#8217;m doing some work for O&#8217;Reilly at the moment that might be considered in the same market, i applaud your &amp; jason&#8217;s efforts to create a[nother] merit-based alternative.  certainly good for startups &amp; entrepreneurs to have a few options to consider.</p>
<p>and given the dollah dollah billz being generated at these events recently, i&#8217;d say there&#8217;s room for additional entrants&#8230; <img src='http://www.crunchnotes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>best of luck to you,</p>
<p>- dave mcclure<br />
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-40986</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I frankly don't see the point in any startup paying to attend a conference in order to showcase their product.

Either you're a startup with a ton of money -- in which case you can fly all around the country giving personal demos to potential investors (or better yet, they can come to you).  Or you're a startup with next to no money at all -- in which case dropping a few K or more on a conference probably isn't in your budget.

We've been e-mailed many times by various conferences saying we've "been selected to present" and that we need only pay travel, hotel, and a conference fee. Every time we've said no without even thinking about it.  If *you* want me at a conference, then you should pay my way.  Don't "give me the opportunity" to drop a few thousand dollars.  If your product or service is good enough, you don't need to do that.

I think you guys are on the right track with this one so far. Both you and Jason are opportunistic motherfuckers so who knows what you have up your sleeve, but whatever it is, it's probably good for entrepreneurs/presenters and good for yourselves... and there's nothing wrong with that at all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frankly don&#8217;t see the point in any startup paying to attend a conference in order to showcase their product.</p>
<p>Either you&#8217;re a startup with a ton of money &#8212; in which case you can fly all around the country giving personal demos to potential investors (or better yet, they can come to you).  Or you&#8217;re a startup with next to no money at all &#8212; in which case dropping a few K or more on a conference probably isn&#8217;t in your budget.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been e-mailed many times by various conferences saying we&#8217;ve &#8220;been selected to present&#8221; and that we need only pay travel, hotel, and a conference fee. Every time we&#8217;ve said no without even thinking about it.  If *you* want me at a conference, then you should pay my way.  Don&#8217;t &#8220;give me the opportunity&#8221; to drop a few thousand dollars.  If your product or service is good enough, you don&#8217;t need to do that.</p>
<p>I think you guys are on the right track with this one so far. Both you and Jason are opportunistic motherfuckers so who knows what you have up your sleeve, but whatever it is, it&#8217;s probably good for entrepreneurs/presenters and good for yourselves&#8230; and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that at all. <img src='http://www.crunchnotes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: /Message</title>
		<link>http://www.crunchnotes.com/2007/02/01/techcrunch20-bashing/#comment-40965</link>
		<dc:creator>/Message</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Michael Arrington on TechCrunch20 Bashing...&lt;/strong&gt;

I know that Michael Arrington wasn't on the cc: list for the email that he quite accurately states was sent out to a bunch of folks working on the upcoming Under The Radar conference. But he has obviously seen it,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Michael Arrington on TechCrunch20 Bashing&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I know that Michael Arrington wasn&#8217;t on the cc: list for the email that he quite accurately states was sent out to a bunch of folks working on the upcoming Under The Radar conference. But he has obviously seen it,&#8230;</p>
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